Some sugestions to RPG critics...

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Why do people even care what "14-year-old Pablo sitting on his PC in Paraguay" thinks? If someone is criticizing your work in leet surely this is a sign to not worry. Any opinion worth it's salt is going to actually tell you why something sucks in their opinion.

@Calibre

- Your a genius. Way to lay down the bricks.

 

[Calibre]

I don't understand your phrase.

 

[ebhz.Ash.4rm]

As it seems, the member Hybrida is "afraid" to show his project here because of the enormous negative side that exists in here. Hey, don't worry, you can send it to me by PM if you want.

If Hybridia is scared of being critiqued on his/her project then I don't think that's the critics problem, if you want comments about your project that are just two word answers where one word or the other is great then I think you're in the wrong place. I'd prefer honest harsh criticism rather than being told it's awesome even with typos all over the place, sub par mapping and characters who have no depth. If you wanna make something that's half decent it's to be expected.

Still I think the OP made his point and everyone else who had something valid to say has, maybe this should be closed, after Dr trademark has explained whatever he meant to Calibre of course?

 

[MaRkNemesis]

Maybe Hybrida thinks like me on one subject. I'm doing this project all by myself(and I urged in the beggining of my project's post to consider that), and still I got literally flamed, no one cares about that, they expect huge things anyway. Sure, now I know that I need to improve my mapping, but still.
Maybe Hybrida has something more clever to say.

*MaRk summons Hybrida.*

Cheers

 

[Ellie]

If you see a member post something you don't like REPORT THEM.

I have never seen anyone say "this is shit" etc without it being moderated, I seriously don't get where all these ideas come from.

If you want something done about anything you need examples; best way to do so is to report the post by clicking the report button.

Don't say nobody cares without reading.

If it's that much of a problem REPORT THEM.

 

[Hybrida]

Maybe Hybrida thinks like me on one subject. I'm doing this project all by myself(and I urged in the beggining of my project's post to consider that), and still I got literally flamed, no one cares about that, they expect huge things anyway. Sure, now I know that I need to improve my mapping, but still.
Maybe Hybrida has something more clever to say.

*MaRk summons Hybrida.*

Cheers

Ok people check this out, I showed alot of people my my project a long time ago via IRC's from many RPGmaker sites, 85% negative feedback. I'm not afriad to show it. It's just the I never hear any thing positive. I've told my intro to it also via IRCs, More Negative crap..So I'm thinking why ever go through all this if 85% of the people are gonna be complete asses. I saw the Time Break thred, Wow that's exacyly what im talking. You guys let markNemesis have tenfold, I started feeling bad for the guy.
You guys say "we don't expect perfection." All do respect, I beg to differ. Like I said if people can't be positive about 1 area, they shouldn't come out full negitive about anything. IT'S NOT HELPFUL. It's most likely to give the game maker the "I don't care anymore feeling." Understand guys? :smile:

 

[mawk]

if you post in an oftopic IRC channel a series of game videos where the main game mechanic is that the female protagonists' breasts grow, what do you expect?

 

[Ellie]

What? I'm waiting for Hybrida to come out and I was there at the time >_>

Don't take anything said over IRC, or the forums, too badly, we're just trying to help!

 

[Hybrida]

if you post in an oftopic IRC channel a series of game videos where the main game mechanic is that the female protagonists' breasts grow, what do you expect?

Clearly not the main game mechanic. Not by along shot, but I give the player the option to play Rated T mode OR rated M mode at the start of the game. Do you know why I didnt Expect negitive feed back? The japs do stuff like what I do all the time, but 1000 fold. I was sure people were out of the Rated T era, with all those kids playing GTA games. I guess was dead wrong. So it seems.

Don't take anything said over IRC, or the forums, too badly, we're just trying to help!

well maybe the admins like you are trying to help, but the other guys make me wanna choke someone. Anyway I will make my game thred soon (pending). I'll see what happens.
@MaRkNemesis stay strong and improve.
I'm done here, have a nice day everyone.

 

[regi]

Okay, I just took a look at the thread, and only two people (who were later warned) attacked the OP about bad mapping. Everyone else offered honest, constructive criticism. Where did that 2/12 turn into 85% asses?

People have probably said before, but let me reiterate. Criticism doesn't have to be positive. If everyone sugar-coated words and praised you, you'd never be able to improve. So just understand that everyone is trying to HELP you, not offend you, even if they state it in a harsher way than expected.

 

[Ellie]

something unrelated to irc

It's IRC bud, you're a regular, you know how it goes. #hbgames is really a slacked channel in general, less restrictions and more trolls. Plus, it's all in jest. I'm sure deep down everyone wants to make Lyra's boobs grow and shrink in a gaming environment.

 

[Zeriab]

Of course there are people here hoping to see brilliant games, but we definitely don't expect them.
What we do expect is that you want to improve. Because why waste time giving advice and criticism if you don't want to improve?
I am proud of how many has spent time giving you advice and criticism in your project thread.
I am disappointed with your handling of the criticism, the flamers and that they weren't ignored except by mods.

(...) I'm doing this project all by myself(and I urged in the beggining of my project's post to consider that), and still I got literally flamed, no one cares about that, they expect huge things anyway. Sure, now I know that I need to improve my mapping, but still. (...)

I really wish that was the case (except for the moderator). The problem here is that you care too much.
Just ignore the useless flame post, or report it if a moderator has not dealt with it already.
Do not respond to it. Just act as if it didn't exist.

*hugs*
- Zeriab

 

[MaRkNemesis]

@Hybrida thanks, I appreciate it. I'll be waiting for your thread.

Now, everyone is just saying the same... "We're trying to help, etc." I know that! But if more people think like me, it's because something's not right.... Right?

Cheers.

 

[Alexander Morou]

I used to think along your lines.

When I would draw something, and post it for others to see, something I spent hours on, the general response was usually negative, and I thought people were ignoring the positive aspects. The primary reason people typically focus on the negative aspects is, if your intent is to improve, you need to know what's wrong, not what's right. If something's so right that it avoids the pitfalls of the wrongs, then people will notice, but until you pull yourself up to a level where that's possible, you'll be hearing a lot of what appears negative, but it's exactly what you asked for: criticism, or insight as to what people think you are doing wrong. This is oft objective to the degree that their experience might trump your own, and sometimes subjective nonsense (reportable flames). Bear with it, and you'll improve, ignore what they're saying and stagnate. The choice is ultimately yours to make.

 

[Zeriab]

I agree that it is unfortunate if more people think like you. At least in a place like this which is focused on helping.
Your attitude against criticism pointing out errors and faults should not be "oh no, not again", but instead "Hell yeah! An excellent opportunity to improve my game!".
If you want fans here, then the bar is indeed high.

I agree with Alexandre except with the point that you don't need to know what's right.
Knowing what's right is an important aspect as well. If you don't know that it's right then you may change it for something that's worse.

My suggestion is to try and change your attitude towards criticism. It may hurt when flaws are found in your child, but with the right attitude can help in making criticism so much more productive, which means that the game becomes better, you become better, the critics become happier due to your will to improve and thus become more likely to write new criticism. All in all, everybody wins.
This a general advice to all creators. Why? Because it's so much more productive.

*hugs*
- Zeriab