Selling a Game: Should other's scripts be sellable?
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Diegoale2000
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Grandor;180749 said:
Actually, anyone serious enough about their scripts/resources is able to take legal action because what you're doing is stealing, even if you credit them, you need Permission from the author, they need to know you're selling the project and need to give you their consent.
unless you do that, you're stealing.
I suppose it is kind of illegal to sell a game when you just edited or ripped some stuf same for scripts.
But, if they put them of a database site with other things to helps people on the net and they're free, I assume, they somehow don't care, because they freely gaves thoses scripts.
But, if they put them of a database site with other things to helps people on the net and they're free, I assume, they somehow don't care, because they freely gaves thoses scripts.
In my opinion.. Its not FAIR paying for a script that is publically accessible and free to use by other people.. So if your willing to BUY SCRIPTS that script must be made UNIQUELY for your game.. you must also have the exclusive rights.
Scripting is not easy.. SO by all means scripters has the right to sell their works but be sure not to post the script for public use or better yet you must have two version of the script; The FREE version and the FOR SALE version.
I think paid scripts must be:
-made to order.
-unique. Made just for your game.
-Must be atleast 90% bug free.
a commercial game must be far better than a free game in terms of better system, scripts, graphix, etc.
Scripting is not easy.. SO by all means scripters has the right to sell their works but be sure not to post the script for public use or better yet you must have two version of the script; The FREE version and the FOR SALE version.
I think paid scripts must be:
-made to order.
-unique. Made just for your game.
-Must be atleast 90% bug free.
a commercial game must be far better than a free game in terms of better system, scripts, graphix, etc.
/\ I kinda agree. If I wanted to use a battle system everyone else was using, i.e. Prexus' ABS, I wouldn't pay for it because everyone else would have the same thing. BUT that doesn't mean I'd steal it, I just wouldn't use it is what I mean. If I was going to pay for a script I would pay for it to be made to my standards and for what I want it to do, etc.
this has to do with the legality(is that even a word?) of useing grahpix. In the gae i am working on now I have taken the sprites from the tales of series and have painstakenly mimiced the style from bits and pieces of freinkienspriting and adding in my own lines to make it into a usable character template. If I were to use that in a comercial game would that be considerd illegal or since its more of a mimic style thatn simply ripping them and useing them would I be free to usee them for whatever I want?
Roman Candle
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If you use other peoples' graphics, that is, using even a single byte of their work, you are infringing. If you just mimic the style, I don't think you're in trouble. But if you get their file, and erase everything in it, then draw a totally original sprite over the top, it would still, (techinically), count as infringment.
Scripters have every right to release their scripts for non-commerical use. I someone's using your work to make money, you have the right to ask for whatever you want. It's your script. The fact that you've also let people use it non-commercially has nothing to do with it.
Scripters have every right to release their scripts for non-commerical use. I someone's using your work to make money, you have the right to ask for whatever you want. It's your script. The fact that you've also let people use it non-commercially has nothing to do with it.
ok thx.
As for scripts(or other recources for that matter) Dont even add the recourse to your database until you have permisson from the owner. Ask the owenr if you can use htis in your comircial game and what their terms are if you dont like em DEAL WITH IT! That or try and negociate some other terms or DEAL WITH IT!
Also if your going to bother paying to use a script you mine as well pay sumone to make a whole new script for you that you wont see anywhere else, or at least have them expand on a current script to do all that you want it to.
As for scripts(or other recources for that matter) Dont even add the recourse to your database until you have permisson from the owner. Ask the owenr if you can use htis in your comircial game and what their terms are if you dont like em DEAL WITH IT! That or try and negociate some other terms or DEAL WITH IT!
Also if your going to bother paying to use a script you mine as well pay sumone to make a whole new script for you that you wont see anywhere else, or at least have them expand on a current script to do all that you want it to.
CorporateGreed
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Actually, I think you can just use them, unless different rules apply to the
script in particular. Most people who post their scripts actually say that you
can use them if you give them credit. They don't state anything about selling
it.
Other than that, how will you copyright an rmxp script? Do scripters actually
pay for that, and how on earth would you prove anything? I couldn't protect
my music either when I was ripped off, even though i had tried everything
to protect it.
If you don't actually copyright it (actually pay for it, not just put
'copyright' underneath your script), you have no case.
It's of course nice to ask the scripts author for his concent. He did help you
in making your game, so it's only fair.
script in particular. Most people who post their scripts actually say that you
can use them if you give them credit. They don't state anything about selling
it.
Other than that, how will you copyright an rmxp script? Do scripters actually
pay for that, and how on earth would you prove anything? I couldn't protect
my music either when I was ripped off, even though i had tried everything
to protect it.
If you don't actually copyright it (actually pay for it, not just put
'copyright' underneath your script), you have no case.
It's of course nice to ask the scripts author for his concent. He did help you
in making your game, so it's only fair.
Intellectual Property Rights protect anything that you create, whether it be tangible (i.e. artwork, or anything physical) or intangible digital creations (such as composed midis, photoshop art, or programming.) from use without consent, and from theft, without need for a Copyright.
In my opinion.. the COPYRIGHT we are talking about is not really the COPYRIGHT THAT IS GIVEN BY LAW.. this is more like a RESPECT.. So it doesnt matter if the scripter actually register his work and paid for a copyright instead WE MUST GIVE RESPECT TO THE CREATOR for HIS HARDWORK.
asking permission is a SIGN of RESPECT.
asking permission is a SIGN of RESPECT.
Soulcutter
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In a composing class I took in college a few years back they said that 3 notes was the important number for creative license, and I think he sited Star Wars themes and lots of other John Williams compositions. I kinda look at it as, when you write a novel, and you use someone else's idea for a character name, a behavior, a location, or such, of the whole book how much actually ends up yours and theirs? When we make games, scripts let us do some things, but they don't 'make' the battles, they just let them run.
Sprites I have no idea about, but there's a game using Chrono Trigger duplicate sprites being released for GBA/Nintendo DS sometime soon that has actual copies of the full animations, just with sprite overs. Only reason I say this is, you can blatantly tell Seiken Densetsu 3 / Chrono Trigger rips are a big part of the commercial game, but they are fully edited, recolored, and altered. Square/Enix closed down that Chrono Trigger 3D remake that was not being commercially done, but just for fun, so obviously they're serious about persuing legal action, yet this other game has a release date this fall, or early spring.
Here it is, just found it.
http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/06/10/4cr-interview-studio-archcraft/
I've always wondered, frankenspriting, does that make it yours, since what's changing is each pixel with the new color, and each alteration makes it less like the original. I dunno though, just my two cents. But from a moral standpoint you should give credit where it's due, and if making money offer some sort of financial reimbursement.
Sprites I have no idea about, but there's a game using Chrono Trigger duplicate sprites being released for GBA/Nintendo DS sometime soon that has actual copies of the full animations, just with sprite overs. Only reason I say this is, you can blatantly tell Seiken Densetsu 3 / Chrono Trigger rips are a big part of the commercial game, but they are fully edited, recolored, and altered. Square/Enix closed down that Chrono Trigger 3D remake that was not being commercially done, but just for fun, so obviously they're serious about persuing legal action, yet this other game has a release date this fall, or early spring.
Here it is, just found it.
http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2006/06/10/4cr-interview-studio-archcraft/
I've always wondered, frankenspriting, does that make it yours, since what's changing is each pixel with the new color, and each alteration makes it less like the original. I dunno though, just my two cents. But from a moral standpoint you should give credit where it's due, and if making money offer some sort of financial reimbursement.
I think the entire point here is being missed... if you use a script created by someone without their permission, ESPECIALLY for profit; you are doing so illegally.
The script writer may not take legal action even if they find out, but they have the right to do so, and would be protected by the law.
There is no debate on the subject; you can debate if you think that's fair or not, but the law will side with the script creator as long as they can prove they created it and that you didn't get permission before using it.
Frakenspriting is, I believe, the same thing unless you own the right to edit/change the original; the RTP sprites you CAN change if you own RMXP since you have a license to use/modify those, even for profit. But if you were to use a completely custom sprite and edit it, you would also be doing so illegally if you didn't have permission.
The script writer may not take legal action even if they find out, but they have the right to do so, and would be protected by the law.
There is no debate on the subject; you can debate if you think that's fair or not, but the law will side with the script creator as long as they can prove they created it and that you didn't get permission before using it.
Frakenspriting is, I believe, the same thing unless you own the right to edit/change the original; the RTP sprites you CAN change if you own RMXP since you have a license to use/modify those, even for profit. But if you were to use a completely custom sprite and edit it, you would also be doing so illegally if you didn't have permission.
Roman Candle
Member
There are more protections of intellectual property than copyright. If you're taking something and profiting from it, you are obligated to ask for their express permision, regardless of whether they've given permission for it to be used elsewhere, and regardless of whether it's copyrighted or not. The same applies to custom sprites, I believe. However, you have the license to do whatever you want with the RTP.
Don't you think that if you're benefiting from something, then the people that made that possible have the right to a say in the matter?
Soulcutter - I highly doubt that those sprites really are just moddified. If they weren't drawn from scratch, they'd be in for such a lawsuit. Drawing in someone's style is not the same as taking their work :p
Don't you think that if you're benefiting from something, then the people that made that possible have the right to a say in the matter?
Soulcutter - I highly doubt that those sprites really are just moddified. If they weren't drawn from scratch, they'd be in for such a lawsuit. Drawing in someone's style is not the same as taking their work :p
Soulcutter
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If anyone ever finds documentation on this I'd be really interested to see it, cuz I've never seen anything to say what is legal and illegal in the world of gaming. In music you have remixes all the time by one artist and another, in spriting I think FF6 set up the trend for what all sprited RPG and SNES recreations look like. The eye patterns are the same in 3 h-games I've played, almost all RPGMaker2003 use the same, and even the base RMXP ones are like the hi-def version of them with minimal movement animations, identical patterns in fact to FF6. Guess that's why I have no idea how recoloring a sprite which, by its nature changes the pixel located in each spot, to something new. My 3% is swimming =P
Roman Candle
Member
Yes, but you can't just do a remix without asking permission. I mean, if you play a cover of someone's song live, you technically owe them loyalties. It's a pretty harsh system, it's just not fully enforced.
I don't know what you mean about 'eye patterns'. Very confused.
I don't know what you mean about 'eye patterns'. Very confused.
Soulcutter
Member
Oh, I mean the 4-block eyes, 2 pixels of the eye color, 2 pixels of the 'white' of a character's eyes. The same system is used in RMXP for eyes, and from what I've seen Terranigma and I want to say another snes game but I can't recall. Anyways I'm just saying that 4 pixels placed in a particular pattern started by Squaresoft on the SNES has been used by lots of sprites throughout gaming, I was only making a statement about, like taking that mentality of 4 pixels not being a concern, to larger scales. At what point is it copyright, etc.
--PS, I didn't mean to get sidetracked from the original post, I 'do' think scripters should be compensated in some way, glory/fame/riches/women for their scripts being used in a commercial product, or in the very least consulted and given a complimentary bottle of Budweiser... not Light, for that would just be insulting.
--PS, I didn't mean to get sidetracked from the original post, I 'do' think scripters should be compensated in some way, glory/fame/riches/women for their scripts being used in a commercial product, or in the very least consulted and given a complimentary bottle of Budweiser... not Light, for that would just be insulting.