Self Taught Game Makers

[Katsuya Einsatz]

Okay, so I'm not going to be like almost everyone else in this thread:
No, I am not completely self-taught, and will openly admit it. I have learned more than my fair share from browsing this forum and reading many tutorials.

HOWEVER:

I agree with some of you, in that noobs can definitely be annoying with asking simple questions. I remember once reading of someone asking how to transfer the character from one map to the other, and we all know that this is easily done with the BIG event button that says, ironically enough, "Transfer Player."

Noobs can be a major annoyance. But on the other side of the coin, you have to remember that you, yourself, did not come out of the womb an expert at RMXP. Kudos to you who are completely self-taught, like Kraft, and did everything the hard, yet self-gratifying way. Nothing wrong with that at all - it should be commended. I'm not flaming that at all.

PINEDAXP, not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I do believe you're being a bit harsh about it. Although you say it isn't, it really does seem like you've started this thread specifically to flame those who aren't self-taught or ask a lot of stupid, in-your-face blatanly obvious questions. And, although there's nothing wrong with disliking it, I find this thread to be a bit...cynical.

Basically, I'm siding with The Creator's post. That sums up what I'm saying a bit better than I'm saying it myself. I think this post sounds a bit harsh, and I don't mean it to...I'm sorry if it's bending anyone out of shape. Just...yeah, the quote sums it up.

"If you don't like it, don't respond to them. Wouldn't that make it easier? But at one time we were all new to something and someone had to show the way or you figured it out on your own."

 

[PINEDAXP]

I got that "this might be a flame" before, not much (once) and like I said, it isn't a flame, not even 0.5 of a flame... cuz I was respectful, and analyzed my words so people don't get me wrong. I haven't flamed not even 1 person. And apparently most people got it straight, the self taught people.

Cynical? Nope, an Intelligent discussion it is... in fact, some of your posts could serve as guidelines for new members to learn pinpoints not found anywhere else...

Like trying first (logical, but still)
Not give up
Be analithic, and more...


And that is the purpose =)

 

[Katsuya Einsatz]

PINEDAXP, as long as you've clarified that, then I have no problems. I think that you do have good intentions, so I'm not trying to bear down on you. As a matter of fact, in a way, I'm glad you've started this post.

You are right. It could benefit newcomers to the forums. Sorry if I was a bit rough around the edges in my other post, and sorry for calling you "cynical." Are we alright? ^^; *hands you cookies as a peace offering*

 

[PINEDAXP]

Bah! I know I sound like an ass sometimes, but no, I really just wanna help, in fact I try to help as much as possible.

I made tuts, I've taken requests, and defend noobs that get flamed (at times)

Look at it this way, if we have new members and they get annoying and don't know why, you can tell them to read some of this thread's posts, and they'll understand what they have to do to learn at a higher speed and without messing around... =)

So, yeah, I'm self taught too, I got RMXP before getting internet, so you can get the picture... I messed with it a LOT did many crappy things. Then got internet and began to observe general tips, and I wish someone would posted this when I was learning...

*eats cookie*

 

[Cheeze]

I taught myself thru Trial and error for most the time then once i got here(Thanks to google) I read Tuts to brush up and asked some questions that i couldn't find tuts for. So look how good i turned out -flex- xD. All I am saying is It's okay to ask questions about the harder stuff but stuff like "How do I get the white box off from around my character?"...Its called Trial and Error...Experiment people!

 

[PINEDAXP]

Totally! Easy questions are just ..... meh.... but reasonable doubts are ALWAYS welcome

 

[Mittens2317]

Wow, this place is really civilised. Usually a message board like this is full of e-gos and rag3rs. You probably kick those kinda people out though, huh? Just one question though, what is your prejudice difference between an inexperienced game maker who is sincere, and one who has just picked up a new toy and will probably grow tired of eventually?

 

[PINEDAXP]

Interesting question, but still, easy... you see, an inexperienced guy, who's sincere, it's willing to learn, so if he gets redirected for the first time to a tutorial or guidelines, he'll learn that he/she should continue on reading this nifty tutorials and trying before asking for... =)

A kid with a toy, will ask, and annoy, and eventually leaves, you difference them by just observing the kind of questions they make, and the evolution that they might seem to have...

And yes, we try to be civilized

 

[Mittens2317]

^Ah, yes, but one who is willing to learn can be deceiving through newbish posts. I used to teach newbies how to use Photoshop on a GFX site a few years back, and there were a lot who appeared like they were 6 year-old brats who didn't want to wait ten years to learn how to drive. Quite a few went onto become experts (one in particular is currently getting paiiid and sorted out his parent's mortgage). I dunno, it just seems that a lot of vets look see newbs like old people do teenagers - they always dish out generic down-talk because the kids don't always know exactly what they're talking about. I'm not talking about this forum, as I haven't been active enough to make a proper judgement, but I have a feeling it may be like that with some.

 

[Cheeze]

The only time when i call a noob out is when they try to call me out. And I was going to say what PINEDAXP said

 

[The Creator]

Experiment people!

Was going to throw out a bad joke about experimenting...and I don't mean about RMXP :p

I'm a perfectionist so I'll probably never be good enough for my own standards but sometimes there is a learning curve that you can't get over. Even the best need help. If they didn't then some of these games wouldn't take years to be finished.

I'm surprised this thread has been as civilized as it has because most forums would have formed sides by now and started lynching people.

 

[PINEDAXP]

Well, we are civilized people, a spoiled brat tried to make this a flame thread by saying: "Apparently you didn't self taught yourself how to spell"

But overall, I think the mature level of this discussion has been excellent! We do realize that writing to each other on how you learned, makes some ground job if a new user wants to learn something that hasn't been read anywhere else

 

[BunnyKinx]

I couldent learn to use the rmxp editor :'(

. . .

So, , , I just made my own :P

 

[jbart321]

I noticed this too, there are a few people that have only basically posted request threads or posts that say "Can I use this?". Now, I know starting out can be hard, but I have been here for 1 1/2 years and just requested something for the first time. There are plenty of resources here to make a game without requesting so much. And applications like Gimp make editing much simpler, yeah it's time consuming, but I get more joy out of editing something myself.
It took a little while to learn the makers, but I just started using RM2K and learned all of the pieces of it. My early games were simple, then you progress into better things by learning tricks and shortcuts.

 

[Qaz Crash]

I try to do things by myself, but if what I'm trying to do has been done by someone else, I'm willing to see if what they did will work for me. In other words, I try not to request too much, but I'm grateful for some help.

 

[PINEDAXP]

yes, but you do try it don't you, before asking for help

 

[OdioOmnus]

Some people are dependant on others to a fault. You see it in school all the time. People ask you questions to ridiculously simple problems that they could definitely figure out for themselves if they're willing to expend the small amount of brain power necessary.

Too many people will just give them the answers rather than taking them step-by-step to learn how to solve the problem. There's no need to work when there's someone next to you who's done already.

In some cases, t's ridiculous, IMO. There's tutorials aplenty around here, as well as a handy little search button. Even if they can't solve the issue alone, they should know where to look for help before taking the time of others.

 

[Anglachel]

I couldent learn to use the rmxp editor :'(

. . .

So, , , I just made my own :P

You couldnt work out RMXP... But you could make your own editor? ':|

 

[Katsuya Einsatz]

You couldnt work out RMXP... But you could make your own editor? ':|

Yeah...for some reason, I read that, and was equally confused.

How is that? You don't get the software, so you make your own version of the same software you didn't understand in the first place? O_O;

 

[Mimi Chan]

"He who ask is a fool for five minutes, but he who didnt is a fool forever"

"Give a man a fish and he will eat for today, teach a man to fish and he will eat in a lifetime"

"Dont look down on others, unless you are helping them up"

All these proverbs are contradicting -_-;

For me its ok for a newb to ask a question PROVIDING he did some work to help himself like:

"There was a wierd white border on the character i made, I did try changing background color but there is still the border"

as too:

"There was a wierd white border on my character, help pls"

I taught myself on using RMXP, its all about reading the help file (truly useful), right clicking every tab and clicking 'whats this?' and doing trial and error.