Mapping in VX
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It's all about tastes. I'm mapping fine with the squares. It changes the whole mood of the game, but it all boils down to what types of games you want to make.
VX, in itself, is a very powerful program. The biggest issue is the people who want to make games 'out of the box'. The RTP is well, lacking, and unless you plan to create custom graphics, you're not going to be in the best position. With RGSS2 though, almost anything is possible.
VX, in itself, is a very powerful program. The biggest issue is the people who want to make games 'out of the box'. The RTP is well, lacking, and unless you plan to create custom graphics, you're not going to be in the best position. With RGSS2 though, almost anything is possible.
^What he said.
This is kind of off-topic now though, of course, as it is merely concerning the RTP rather than actual mapping itself. Looking at the screenshot Marcus posted, for example, they are more like tiles that resemble hills and grass in a cartoony fashion, rather than actually looking like a natural mount/woods and whatnot; be them well mapped or not. A lot more video game-ish, and a lot more light hearted. All comes down to personal preferences, of course. Personally, even with the well mapped VX RTP ones posted there, I still prefer a well mapped XP RTP instead.
Surely VX RTP can be a good thing in many cases depending on the type of game, of course. It is just pretty hard to go "NUUUUUUU! WHY?!!11 TAKE ME INSTEAD WAH WAH WAH *emo tears flooding*" with it. Not that the XP RTP is overly good for that either of course, but it's relatively more flexible as far as scenario and atmosphere goes.
Of course, you can always transfer XP graphics and custom graphics over, so I'm simply saying that for the default VX RTP mapping.
This is kind of off-topic now though, of course, as it is merely concerning the RTP rather than actual mapping itself. Looking at the screenshot Marcus posted, for example, they are more like tiles that resemble hills and grass in a cartoony fashion, rather than actually looking like a natural mount/woods and whatnot; be them well mapped or not. A lot more video game-ish, and a lot more light hearted. All comes down to personal preferences, of course. Personally, even with the well mapped VX RTP ones posted there, I still prefer a well mapped XP RTP instead.
Surely VX RTP can be a good thing in many cases depending on the type of game, of course. It is just pretty hard to go "NUUUUUUU! WHY?!!11 TAKE ME INSTEAD WAH WAH WAH *emo tears flooding*" with it. Not that the XP RTP is overly good for that either of course, but it's relatively more flexible as far as scenario and atmosphere goes.
Of course, you can always transfer XP graphics and custom graphics over, so I'm simply saying that for the default VX RTP mapping.
I think for the most part, it requires thinking in a different manner. If you copy a map data (hypothetically of course) from VX RTP into XP RTP, it'll look horrible, and the exact same thing goes for the other way around. Mapping methods largely depend on the tileset styles and construction to go with it, and pokemon styled tileset and a relatively more realistic styled tileset require completely different ways of thinking, which is what throws people off a lot at the transition.
I tried it for an hour or so and regardless of what others say, my opinion is that the mapping element sucks. There was absolutely no need to limit tilesets or remove selectable layers for christ sake, they've had 2 years and generally made subtle changes. On the whole the program is better in every way as far as I can see bar mapping. I mean christ it's a development tool, surely they could have 2 separate ways or mapping... basic / advanced.
The rtp itself I think is great for making a game out of the box, and while it is good that the panoramas are visible in the editor its not rocket science to add that. I demand a partition to have an altered patch to take mapping back to selectable layers. Though I doubt that can be done.
I also think this argument for weeding out bad mappers is pretty stupid. There are bad mappers use XP, 2k, 2k3, and there will be for vx. Just because we have less freedom with space isn't a benefit.
I don't find the program disappointing at all, it's just a shocking change. We go from 2 layers, to 3 layers to 1 set layer.
The rtp itself I think is great for making a game out of the box, and while it is good that the panoramas are visible in the editor its not rocket science to add that. I demand a partition to have an altered patch to take mapping back to selectable layers. Though I doubt that can be done.
I also think this argument for weeding out bad mappers is pretty stupid. There are bad mappers use XP, 2k, 2k3, and there will be for vx. Just because we have less freedom with space isn't a benefit.
I don't find the program disappointing at all, it's just a shocking change. We go from 2 layers, to 3 layers to 1 set layer.
I wasn't trying to make a point about what the RTP is designed for, I was just making fun of Yggdrasil for posting
The VX RTP definitely isn't suited for a dark or realistic game unless you're one of those weird people (like me) who enjoys dark and mature storylines juxtaposed with cartoony graphics. I'm just hoping that anyone who uses VX will atleast step back and ask themselves "why am i putting this bush here again?"
Rawr, relax. State your complaints here then. We know we've heard it, the VX is easier but less dynamic. XP is harder but more dynamic. Just two differnt styles. Learn it, live it, love it or leave it. Simple as that.
The key to mapping in VX from my understanding is to think in a more simplistic mannor similar to old school gaming like I said before. Try to keep things more square. Marcus your maps look terrible because you're trying too hard to get away from the square look. VX is square looking it's as simple as that, you can't really try to fancy it up.
The key to mapping in VX from my understanding is to think in a more simplistic mannor similar to old school gaming like I said before. Try to keep things more square. Marcus your maps look terrible because you're trying too hard to get away from the square look. VX is square looking it's as simple as that, you can't really try to fancy it up.
Well if anyone wants I have a demo of a game I made because I was bored =X its fun playing VX made games but it just will... 'Tick' you off trying to bobble your way through the sea of errors and mapping queues also another thing that will kill you is the agonizing pain of trying to compress the data then .zip or .rar it to other people. but yea.. if anyone wants to try my demo PM me and I'll go fetch the FILEFRONT and upload it lol...
Also here I made a map.... this is the best I have done over a period of.... er... a day..?
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