Debate Classics: Abortion

[DESIRE]

You act like it's impossible that they could turn out to be something great just because their parents weren't exactly the best of role models. And even if they were "kids who got drugged or walked into the wrong alley", it doesn't mean that a life should be taken because of their mistakes. Also, I imagine they're not all like that. They have to be able to at least afford the abortion, right? Also, you pretty much said my opinion was wrong. Opinions can't be wrong.

 

[Minkoff]

You act like it's impossible that they could turn out to be something great just because their parents weren't exactly the best of role models.

They could turn out to be something horrible too. It doesn't matter.

 

[DESIRE]

You may find it irrelevant, but as I've already stated (multiple times now; getting a little tiring), the kind of person I am just makes me feel that it is an injustice to deny the chance for something great regardless.

 

[Marcus]

I'll put my view on abortion by simply saying

"If I was forcefully raped and impregnated with no money or will to take care of a child, I'd certainly want an abortion."

 

[DESIRE]

I don't think that anybody is disputing that <.<. What people are debating about mostly is abortion regardless of circumstances; whether you were raped or you just didn't feel like using protection.

 

[ryanwh]

NOBODY was debating that, you were debating that abortion is never okay REGAURDLESS of cercumstance. See, that's why everyone was disagreeing with you.

 

[DESIRE]

All caps is seriously annoying, especially when you're mispelling things when they're in all caps and you have your information wrong. Read my posts again .

 

[Alexx]

You act like abortion is the same as killing a human. It's not, because what you are "killing" isn't a human yet. And can you answer me this: Who's hurt by killing it? Who?

I still stand by my statment... Having an abortion is as "evil" as killing a bug.

 

[ryanwh]

"If you want to be an idiot and be the most disgraceful, sorriest excuse for a human being with no morals, go ahead. Fuck around with another human being's life. Tell yourself "They don't know, they're not born yet". Lie to yourself so maybe you'll be able to do it and act like it never happened. It has a brain, it respirates, it's composes of cells no more or less than you are, but it's okay, because it's inside your body instead of outside of it, it doesn't exist yet. It's just a temporary problem, a quick fix will take care of it. It'll be okay. Or at least that's what you tell yourself. Keep telling yourself that, maybe you'll be able to live with it."
Remember that? Clearly the words of an open mind. You cant even remember what you said a week ago, this debate is over.

 

[DESIRE]

Quote part of only one of my posts and tell me I'm wrong, nice . I didn't particularly mention rape (must've slipped my mind), but I did mention for life-saving reasons, etc. so read again. It all boils down to opinions but the debate isn't over yet.

You act like abortion is the same as killing a human. It's not, because what you are "killing" isn't a human yet. And can you answer me this: Who's hurt by killing it? Who?

I still stand by my statment... Having an abortion is as "evil" as killing a bug.

How is it not the same as killing a human? It is, after all, a human. What makes it inhuman? And who is hurt by killing it? Well, the unborn child obviously is dying. The mother gains scar tissue that could cause serious medical issues in the future (possibly fatal). I could go on loose limbs to make extreme connections but there's no need for that.

 

[Alexx]

It's not a human... Yet. And it doesn't have a brain... Yet. You kill it before that happens so there's no loss. The child isn't hurt either, because it's not aware of it's own exsistance. It is nothing and means nothing... YET! That's why it's ok to kill it BEFORE it has evolved into a human being. That's also why I think abortion is ok, but killing a man walking down the street isn't.

Also I think the mother is (or at least should be) aware of these extremly unlikley side-effects of having an abortion. It is is, after all, her own wish to make the abortion. But all I want to do is give her the choice so the mother can decide for herself whether she wants to do it or not. You want to take that choice away from her. That's the difference.

 

[woopdedo]

The baby does not have a functioning body with all the organs until the very end of the first trimester which its then not allowed to get killed, so fetus does not really even understand anything yet, and im many cases the fetus does not even have a brain or nervous system yet. And with the world having billions of people here now, we need some way to get rid of a chunk of people (i know its not a nice thing to say but we are soon going to have to either a) Kill off a whole chunk to make room or b) move to a new planet because we are taking up far to much space.)

 

[DESIRE]

I'm aware of the huge overpopulation problem but that's another story :/.

I'm aware that the fetus isn't fully developed but it's still as alive as it will ever be technically. The chromosomes in its cells aren't going to be any different; everything that isn't dependant on its diet and how it is raised is already decided pretty much. The only difference between a fetus going to become a birthed infant and an infant becoming a full-grown adult is that much more internal development takes place during the time it's attached to its mother. It's still just the child growing. I mean seriously, can you imagine with everything you know now and everything you do day-to-day and have experienced in your life that you could have been killed in your earliest form of existance because somebody else didn't consider you "human"? We were all unicellular at one point, we just grew and underwent mitosis many, many times to become this large and physically developed.

 

[Andy6000]

Okay, I'm going to take the potential argument (that child could have been Jesus!) and say it's bullshit. The child could've also been a homicidal child rapist, killing pregnant women because it would up his infamy, or perhaps the next Hitler.

The thing is about as technically alive as anything is. A plant is about that technically alive FYI. And I eat salad. And asperegus (spelled wrong! But still good!). It's not thinking, it's not going to see you up in the afterlife (pending your belief in such) and yell 'YOU KILLED ME! I WAS GOING TO BE THE NEXT TOM CRUISE!' because it doesn't-have-thought. This is just like the argument people against birth control make, 'you're killing the egg before it even has a chance!'.

 

[DESIRE]

The egg isn't fertilized, it doesn't even have a complete set of chromosomes; it's not human yet. A fetus is however. A 1-year-old won't see you in the afterlife and cry out "Why'd you murder me Mommy?" either; it wouldn't know any more than the fetus. Life begins at conception; the being being killed is alive. And about your little thing about plants, we're talking animal kingdom hear. And not only are they animals, but it's an unborn of the most dominant species on the planet and the only truly intelligent life (only intelligent life that's civilized). And my little thing about a potentially great person is just my own personal thing; I don't expect everybody else to take grasp on it; I was just stating my personal feelings, not actual debate material.

 

[Roman Candle]

What good exactly comes out of forcing a woman to have a child she doesn't want. A bit harsh on the child isn't it? Not to mention the mother.

 

[DESIRE]

Child actually gets to live and hopefully get a good chance at life (better than none), mother most likely learns a lesson (unless she's completely heartless) either by guilt of giving it up for adoption or something else, and hope that people won't be so irresponsible next time, eh?

 

[Roman Candle]

Who is the child? Who are they? The child never exists.

mother most likely learns a lesson

How dare you. How many single mothers do you know? I also find a point of sick irony that you use the word 'hearless'.

 

[Hailey T]

I find sick irony when you mispell heartless with "hearless." Now, hear me:

I think he was meaning the mother learns a lesson on the value of life and about the seriousness of her choice to become pregnant ( YES its their choice.. unless they were raped, they knew very well it was a possibility even with pills). He doesn't mean to bash single mothers at all. I'm sure almost any single mother you'll talk to will tell you that having the child is the greatest gift in their life, even if it set them back financially and changed their life, and had they aborted the pregnancy it would have been a terrible mistake.

That would be my take on it. You don't have to agree.. but I think the child at least deserves a chance. I believe there should be some level of choice for the woman in certain cases, such as rape or possible injury to the mother if the baby is born, and even then only if it is right in the beginning of the pregnancy or in very serious cases at the end.

I think if she wasn't smart enough to make a good decision in the first place, she shouldn't be left with the decision whether to kill her baby, because obviously her decision making skills aren't so hot.

Then again, you can argue that she won't make a good mother with bad decision making skills. but sometimes for people like that, raising a child is the thing they need, the ONLY thing, thats big and life-changing enough to make them grow up.

 

[DESIRE]

High five for Hailey ^_^.

I think you've restated what I've been trying to say for pages now in a more understandable way. Thank you.